Now more open to everyone

Posted by Jim Ray on Monday, November 05, 2007 11:24 AM PT

“The news menu fly-outs now work in Safari mac/win and Camino.” This was a recent update in our issue-tracking database by one of our star coders, letting everyone know that the left-side navigation will work as expected on Macintosh browsers when we re-launch the site. It doesn’t sound like much, but that simple status change represents a sea change for msnbc.com.

It’s no secret that in years past, we haven’t always been the best online citizen when it comes to playing nicely with others. Conspiracy theories abound (Microsoft, purveyor of Windows and Internet Explorer, is one of our corporate parents, after all) but the facts are far more simple.

The vast majority of our users come to msnbc.com on a Windows PC with Internet Explorer, thanks in no small part to our friends at MSN.com, the default homepage when so many of you first click that blue ‘e’ on your desktop. Fully supporting Internet Explorer, while giving alternative browsers a short shrift was, quite simply, a matter of expedience for the first decade of our site’s existence.

When the redesign efforts began in earnest over a year ago, however, we decided to rethink that approach. We started by retooling our browser support matrix to include both Firefox and Safari as “top-tier,” meaning that if our work didn’t work in those browsers, it didn’t get released. We armed ourselves with an arsenal of 17-inch Macbook Pros, not just for testing but for actual development work (much of the HTML and CSS was initially written using TextMate). We re-engineered our content management system to allow for maximum flexibility and then completely rewrote the markup of the site from scratch.

The result is a website that doesn’t just look better but is fundamentally different from the inside out. If you’re the kind of person who likes to click View Source in your browser, give the new site a look when it launches. We’ve finally entered the 21st century by moving towards what web designers call semantic HTML, which doesn’t use tables for layout. We rewrote our CSS to do more than just replace font tags. When it came to so-called alternative browsers like Firefox, we didn’t just test for them, we actually targeted them and then went back and fixed problems with buggy browsers. The code isn’t perfect — starting with the noticeably absent doctype declaration — but it’s an evolutionary leap from the days of old.

These changes don’t just mean that the site looks consistent across different browsers and platforms, either. By using semantic markup, and separating the content of our pages from the style of the display, the new msnbc.com will be more accessible to the visually impaired as well as to search engines.

Of course, all of this technical jargon and insider talk misses one of the most important improvements — our ability to deliver news and information to as many people as possible. The new site was built not by coders and designers but by journalists, all of whom share a simple goal of helping people better understand their world. We didn’t set out to build a more accessible website as part of a long list of features; we worked hard to create the best experience for everyone because it’s the right thing to do.

So, if you’ve perhaps shied away from our site because of the ‘ms’ in ‘msnbc’ or because we’ve treated your browser as second-class in the past, consider this a mea culpa and an invitation to give msnbc.com a second look.

Update: Regarding video support in Safari. Unfortunately, our video provider, MSN, recently redesigned their player and, subsequently, dropped Safari support. Fear not, though, we've got an amazing team hard at work on a completely redesigned video player that will work on any browser and platform that supports Flash 9. We're also bringing the whole operation in house so that we don't have to deal with the whims of a third party. Watch this space over the coming weeks for more news, I guarantee it will be worth the wait.

Jim Ray is an Editorial Concepts Producer at msnbc.com.

Comments

Bravo!  I've been one to shy away from msnbc.com for the past several months ever since I got a MacBook.  As an amateur photgrapher I've always appreciated your emphasis on compelling, newsworthy images but the site has been lacking for Safari users.  I eagerly await the new design.
Congratulations and thank you!  I can't wait to see the new design.  Welcome to the future of the Web!
I'm curious if this multi-browser development for the new site will include things such as video or even live streaming video.  I love using Safari and FireFox at times on my MacBook, but I don't like how I need to have Internet Explorer on a PC in order to see the streaming video.  Is this something that you will be rolling out with the new site?
Joey - our current video player will work on Firefox on Windows and the Mac and Safari on the Mac, give it a look and please let us know if you're still having problems. Also, keep watching this space, we've got more in store soon. EDIT: So, I mis-spoke here. It turns out that our current video player does not work in Safari, though it does work with Firefox on the Mac and Windows. But we're working on something that will launch before the end of the year to replace our current video offering and it will work with Safari. It's also incredibly cool, so keep your eyes peeled.
Good Morning,

I have always counted on msnbc.com for my news, and world events. I think the web page designers are doing an excellent job. I have only one request/complaint, I keep track of my 401k funds on your site. I wish you would not limit how many stocks/funds you can keep track of (currently set to 10). I consider your site my homepage mainly for this purpose. This is a very useful tool for the average person to watch their stock/fund positions. If it must be limited, setting the limit to 50 or at least 25 would be beneficial. I have tried msmoney, big charts, google, and yahoo, and their sites are not as easily used or setup. Having the unlimited use of this feature would certainly be a benefit to your users and may also lure new users. As we all know, your advertisers would most certainly welcome more users to your site, after all they do pay the bills. Keep up the good work.  
As a Mac switcher way back in 2002, I've been waiting for this support for a long time now! I am so pleased - you guys have really done well from the screen shots ... I hope you'll consider sending some of us special links/logins for a private beta of the site. I can't wait to test drive it!
Thanks so much! MSNBC.com has always been my news source on the web, but as a dedicated Mac user I always felt as if I was sitting at the children's table during Thanksgiving dinner. Now I can take part in the adult conversation. I can't wait!
I want the ability to view the FULL site from my phone's Pocket IE browser.  I have EVDO and prefer most site's full experience to their mobile stripped down version.  Will the new msnbc.com allow me to view the full site from my smartphone?
Does it work with the Firefox 3 Beta 1 that comes out next week? The Firefox folks obviously won't be able to test if it works w/ your site, but if it's a P1 then you guys should have to check that out. http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2007/11/07/were-happy-that-you-digg-us-but/
Anxiously awaiting the new layout... it looks good. Please give us a VIsta sidebar gadget that will link breaking news headlines from the new site.
Outstanding! I'm one of those people who actually like and appreciate the strides MS has made for the computing world, but I just happen to like the Firefox browser better.  Like the new site design, btw.
Congratulations all.  It's always good to hear of people updating their sites to be standards compliant and to offer support for multiple browsers and operating systems.  A great effort!
It really shows that you followed the write-for-Firefox, tweak-for-IE route--and I mean that in the best possible way. Very good redesign.
The Video's seem to run fine in Safari 3 now, but when I click on one on, let's say Countdown's webpage, I get an Error messages which tells me the video's won't run properly in Safari (among others) when I decide to go ahead anyway, the video-page works flawlessly (including the creation of playlists) So I'd like to suggest, that that warning of incompatibility be removed. (for Safari atleast)
With the "new look" my menu fly-outs now have a transparent background; with several layers of text showing it's impossible to read. I have Firefox 2.0.0.9/Windows 2000.  The fly-outs had enabled my quick scanning of several news categories for interesting stories, without them I'll be looking for another news site. Go back to the "old look"!!!
Okay, the site rollout is in process, but it looks like Safari isn't supported.  Sure, I can view the main page okay, but videos don't work.  It tells me that I need to have Firefox 2 if I'm using a Mac.  Do you still plan on supporting Safari video?
I guess I'll have to find another site.  I can see the first two stories and NOTHING else.  A lot of white space.  If I click on "show me a wider spectrum"  I get a screen with nothing (not even the white space).  I have Firefox 2.0 and XP.  So stop congratulating yourselves.  This is a disaster. I could see everything fine yesterday and I haven't changed a thing.
Bill - regarding video support in Safari, it's coming, promise. We've got some amazing updates to our video player coming along, just hang on a few more weeks. Our current video provider, MSN, recently re-architected their player and dropped Safari support, even though it had previously been supported in beta. It's currently on their to-do list, but we don't have an ETA. Very soon, though, we're going to be rolling out our own video player with full cross platform compatibility as a top priority.

Drop me a line - jim.ray@msnbc.com - if you have any specific questions
The new site is NOT working well with Firefox 2.0.09... The homepage seems to be okay but go to entertainment or travel or? and the sidebar is in the middle of the page and the top and the body is below it... not good!  And this has happened at least two dozen times in the last couple of days as I have moved around the site... and not a problem I ever had with the old format.  I hope this is something that will be fixed soon.
Also running Firefox 2.0.09. Two issues noticed this AM.

When the homepage displays the SW 737 does not fly across the top of the page, the "Introducing..." displays w/o "Rollover to expand" and the "Find out what's new" does not work.

Explore>Participate>Most addictive games displays incorrectly.

BTW, I like the new format. Hang in there.
Looks good on both my PC laptop and (newer) iMac desktop. BUT....I have MSNBC.com as my Home page and it now seems to open a LOT slower, especially on the PC. What say you?
I've always used Opera (for a long time now) and I've always enjoyed this site for all my news needs since the year 2000. Even when the flyouts didn't work for me (i.e. in the early days), atleast the site was still fast and all I had to do was make an extra click to open something. But now after these new changes, I have to say I'm not happy at all.

The site feels very clunky now... too resource-heavy. It operates very very slowly when it loads on Opera. Takes up a lot of memory and it just gets stuck with my windows not opening until I have to shutdown my browser. Nothing opens like it used to, not to mention all my favorite settings (specifically my fave sports headlines) which have become distorted. Therefore I've unfortunately had to change my homepage to another news site. And I'm saddened to see the user friendliness just gone down the drain. I'll keep periodically checking in to see if the clunkiness & compatibility factor is fixed in the future. But for now, this site just doesn't work as well as it used to.
"Message boards:  unsupported client" is the error message I got when I tried to view a discussion on my Mac.  Why?
Are there plans to make this web site compatible with Netscape which is my browser of choice?  The old web site except for videos worked fine.  I liked this web site and want to keep it as my home page but as it is now that isn't an option.
Hi Jim


"But we're working on something that will launch before the end of the year to replace our current video offering and it will work with Safari."

I hope you are not planning to move to Silverlight from flash. If you do, you will be back at the same place in a few years. Flash does a reasonable job, supports many browsers and cross-platform. Good luck with taking some initiative to make your site platform neutral as much as possible.

Paul
Please disregard my previous message.

Having updated my version of Opera to 9.5b Beta, my slow conditions with your new website have disappeared.  In fact, my old version of Opera (9.24) also works as it should.  Obviously, a setting affecting both versions got changed somehow.  

For me, MSNBC works better than ever and will remain my home page.
Your new concept is a disaster as far as WEBTV users are concerned.When tring to sign up for MSNBC daily email service, there is no space to eneter my email address where told to enter it. There are no boxes with my preferences to check where directions tell me to check. I PERFER text to streaming vidios. Some people still enjoy reading. I get kicked out of any article I try to read from the Washington Post since the redesign. AFTER it loads, I get a pop up telling me the page can't be displayed, yet when I click ok, it loads the article again only to repeat the process.I can't get help in correcting these problems. I've been very loyal to MSNBC for years but I'm ready to find another newservice. WEBTV 2 is much more convenient for those with health problems to use. However I'm going to go back to my computer and change servers if MSNBC doesn't straighten this mess out within a reasonable time frame.
As far as I'm concerned, your "completely redesigned video player" that supports Safari 3 can't come too soon.  MSNBC is my home page and it's annoying to have to switch to another browser every time I want to view videos on MSNBC.
"Regarding video support in Safari. Unfortunately, our video provider, MSN, recently redesigned their player and, subsequently, dropped Safari support."  -- Please fix this fast. I have been moving on to other sites because I can't get your videos to play on my Safari browser, when they once played just fine.
If I elect to increase the text size when viewing your site, your page does not display properly. Some of the text disappears within the separate sections and there is no scroll bar that appears to allow it to be read.


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